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	<title>Comments on: those silly, silly ACOG fellows&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/</link>
	<description>We cannot prepare for the future without embracing the meaning and the relevance of the baby's perspective on life.  ~   Michel Odent, MD</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela,

Thanks for all you write.  This is such an important issue.  

Just to be clear, the language you quote is from legislation introduced in Missouri several years ago.  To see what we've come to after working with interested parties on all sides, you can find our most recent legislation (passed the Senate but not the House this year) at http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&#38;BillID=50641
The midwifery advocates in Missouri have worked hard to be respected for their knowledge of the legislative process and their unwavering cheerfulness.  It is an honor to work alongside them as we strive to improve our maternity care system in Missouri

Elizabeth Allemann, MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela,</p>
<p>Thanks for all you write.  This is such an important issue.  </p>
<p>Just to be clear, the language you quote is from legislation introduced in Missouri several years ago.  To see what we&#8217;ve come to after working with interested parties on all sides, you can find our most recent legislation (passed the Senate but not the House this year) at <a href="http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&amp;BillID=50641" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&amp;BillID=50641</a><br />
The midwifery advocates in Missouri have worked hard to be respected for their knowledge of the legislative process and their unwavering cheerfulness.  It is an honor to work alongside them as we strive to improve our maternity care system in Missouri</p>
<p>Elizabeth Allemann, MD</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey's Mama</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey's Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-936</guid>
		<description>Amen!  I couldn't have said it any better than Linda or any of the others...

Sometimes I imagine that when AGOG's GOBN (Good Old Boy's Network) gets together they do it in a *really big* sandbox that is 20 feet deep so that they can bury their heads in the sand and not have to look around at the real world...but that is just me.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!  I couldn&#8217;t have said it any better than Linda or any of the others&#8230;</p>
<p>Sometimes I imagine that when AGOG&#8217;s GOBN (Good Old Boy&#8217;s Network) gets together they do it in a *really big* sandbox that is 20 feet deep so that they can bury their heads in the sand and not have to look around at the real world&#8230;but that is just me.  <img src='http://www.pamamidwife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lizz</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-927</guid>
		<description>Tell it, Linda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell it, Linda!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-921</guid>
		<description>ACOG says CPMs are unqualified to attend home births "because they do not work collaboratively with hospital-based obstetric providers".

Hmmmm. 
who created the rift?
who refuses to provide backup (under threat from their collegiate organization)?
which group labels another group of care providers as underqualified and therefore not worthy of a collaborative relationship?

who does this really serve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACOG says CPMs are unqualified to attend home births &#8220;because they do not work collaboratively with hospital-based obstetric providers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hmmmm.<br />
who created the rift?<br />
who refuses to provide backup (under threat from their collegiate organization)?<br />
which group labels another group of care providers as underqualified and therefore not worthy of a collaborative relationship?</p>
<p>who does this really serve?</p>
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		<title>By: Pixie L</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixie L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-918</guid>
		<description>I'm reading the statement by ACOG, and I'm trying very, very hard to laugh to keep from crying. How can anyone make a statement that is so grossly STUPID! It's disgusting!

I was, originally, quite opposed to homebirth. "What if something goes wrong?!" I know better, now. My last baby was born in my bedroom, where he was celebrated, cheered and cried over (happy tears, happy tears) by a CPM who has delivered a LOT of babies. I mean a LOT (well, 20 years of serving women and babies will do that). I felt safe, protected and calm through the whole thing: much different than my first birth at a hospital with a doctor who refused to believe women could birth without him!

Until people like me, the public, those not "in the business" start to hear about this kind of garbage and know it for the trash that it is, ACOG will be able to assist in trampling the rights of women, babies and the partners/coparents who support them. 

Thanks for having such an eloquent blog, and such eloquent friends, that says it all so much better than I can. You have no idea how many of my friends have been linked over here! You've helped change minds and hearts, and you're doing as much for birth choices as you do for birthing women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading the statement by ACOG, and I&#8217;m trying very, very hard to laugh to keep from crying. How can anyone make a statement that is so grossly STUPID! It&#8217;s disgusting!</p>
<p>I was, originally, quite opposed to homebirth. &#8220;What if something goes wrong?!&#8221; I know better, now. My last baby was born in my bedroom, where he was celebrated, cheered and cried over (happy tears, happy tears) by a CPM who has delivered a LOT of babies. I mean a LOT (well, 20 years of serving women and babies will do that). I felt safe, protected and calm through the whole thing: much different than my first birth at a hospital with a doctor who refused to believe women could birth without him!</p>
<p>Until people like me, the public, those not &#8220;in the business&#8221; start to hear about this kind of garbage and know it for the trash that it is, ACOG will be able to assist in trampling the rights of women, babies and the partners/coparents who support them. </p>
<p>Thanks for having such an eloquent blog, and such eloquent friends, that says it all so much better than I can. You have no idea how many of my friends have been linked over here! You&#8217;ve helped change minds and hearts, and you&#8217;re doing as much for birth choices as you do for birthing women.</p>
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		<title>By: christine chapel</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>christine chapel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-917</guid>
		<description>i actually see this statement as a good thing, especially when they talk about such things as an unexpected coalition involving lawmakers and homeschoolers and Amish and Mennonite communities, and when they talk about how nurse midwives are no longer the "front-line defense" for ACOG against these scary, scary midwifery bills (ha! ha ha!) and when they talk about how women desiring VBACs in areas where hospitals don't allow VBACs are going to home birth midwives to get what they want. 

they are acknowledging our power. the power of women to make these decisions, the power of nurse midwives to speak their minds without bowing to ACOG, and the power of people to realize a common goal and put forth effort toward that goal - they are acknowledging this power, and it makes them very very uneasy. because they are waging a turf war, no matter if they deny it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i actually see this statement as a good thing, especially when they talk about such things as an unexpected coalition involving lawmakers and homeschoolers and Amish and Mennonite communities, and when they talk about how nurse midwives are no longer the &#8220;front-line defense&#8221; for ACOG against these scary, scary midwifery bills (ha! ha ha!) and when they talk about how women desiring VBACs in areas where hospitals don&#8217;t allow VBACs are going to home birth midwives to get what they want. </p>
<p>they are acknowledging our power. the power of women to make these decisions, the power of nurse midwives to speak their minds without bowing to ACOG, and the power of people to realize a common goal and put forth effort toward that goal - they are acknowledging this power, and it makes them very very uneasy. because they are waging a turf war, no matter if they deny it.</p>
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		<title>By: LanaTron</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>LanaTron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-915</guid>
		<description>Well, of course, we can't have rogue women running around trusting their own bodies and instincts.  That would just be way too threatening to society, right?  The same is true in home schooling...  

Anytime women find their strength, whether individually or collectively, people freak out because it means a shift in the relationships, a shift in how things are done, a shift in the power structure.

The secret is, though, that whenever women find their strength--physical, mental, and/or spiritual--everyone around them, and the world as a whole, is made stronger in the end.

Pam, I have been reading your blog for some time now, just lurking.  I am a mother of four (two homebirths, one homebirth/transport/CS, one homebirth/transport/VBAC).  I had to comment on this post because after my two hospital birth experiences, I know in my deepest soul that home birth is so important for mamas like me; important in ways that I don't think the doctors will ever understand.

I love how honest you are about your journey as a midwife.  Eight and five years after my two hospital births, I still have some healing work to do, and reading what you have to say has been such a help on that journey, by reminding me that I am not crazy for thinking that my hospital birth experiences kinda sucked.  Thank you for sharing here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course, we can&#8217;t have rogue women running around trusting their own bodies and instincts.  That would just be way too threatening to society, right?  The same is true in home schooling&#8230;  </p>
<p>Anytime women find their strength, whether individually or collectively, people freak out because it means a shift in the relationships, a shift in how things are done, a shift in the power structure.</p>
<p>The secret is, though, that whenever women find their strength&#8211;physical, mental, and/or spiritual&#8211;everyone around them, and the world as a whole, is made stronger in the end.</p>
<p>Pam, I have been reading your blog for some time now, just lurking.  I am a mother of four (two homebirths, one homebirth/transport/CS, one homebirth/transport/VBAC).  I had to comment on this post because after my two hospital birth experiences, I know in my deepest soul that home birth is so important for mamas like me; important in ways that I don&#8217;t think the doctors will ever understand.</p>
<p>I love how honest you are about your journey as a midwife.  Eight and five years after my two hospital births, I still have some healing work to do, and reading what you have to say has been such a help on that journey, by reminding me that I am not crazy for thinking that my hospital birth experiences kinda sucked.  Thank you for sharing here!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-914</guid>
		<description>I do not believe for one second that the ACOG is for women. It's continuing adherence to outmoded and outdated ideas regarding birth and birth attendants demonstrates that their interest is unwavering. The ACOG is for the ACOG. Thanks for posting this, although I am in Canada, I am always interested in how midwifery is faring south of the border. I am sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe for one second that the ACOG is for women. It&#8217;s continuing adherence to outmoded and outdated ideas regarding birth and birth attendants demonstrates that their interest is unwavering. The ACOG is for the ACOG. Thanks for posting this, although I am in Canada, I am always interested in how midwifery is faring south of the border. I am sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Labor Nurse</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Labor Nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-913</guid>
		<description>Thanks for sharing this with us.  There are some days that I just can't tolerate reading about ACOG's latest statements on these issues.  One thing I have noticed is that it appears that ACOG would like others to believe that CNMs want to be under the control of obstetricians, which is probably why they are somewhat ok with nurse midwifery.  But as a soon to be nurse midwife I find this insulting.  

I personally feel that this is a complete turf issue, and don't want midwives of any kind taking over normal birth.  They want to keep it in the hands of surgeons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this with us.  There are some days that I just can&#8217;t tolerate reading about ACOG&#8217;s latest statements on these issues.  One thing I have noticed is that it appears that ACOG would like others to believe that CNMs want to be under the control of obstetricians, which is probably why they are somewhat ok with nurse midwifery.  But as a soon to be nurse midwife I find this insulting.  </p>
<p>I personally feel that this is a complete turf issue, and don&#8217;t want midwives of any kind taking over normal birth.  They want to keep it in the hands of surgeons.</p>
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		<title>By: demetria</title>
		<link>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>demetria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pamamidwife.com/2008/06/12/those-silly-silly-acog-fellows/#comment-911</guid>
		<description>This is amazing.
Sometimes it feels like a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is amazing.<br />
Sometimes it feels like a war.</p>
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